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I am thinking about a career change, I might be able to get a job with an air conditioning bloke and getting an electricians apprenticeship will be easy if I'm already working (apparently).

 

So I'm wanting to know if you think it's a good industry to get into? I'm 29 and I've heard that I don't have to do 4 years as an apprentice if you're older, is that true? What sort of work can I expect to find, what is the money like etc. Please tell me anything you can. Thank you.

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sparky here currently working in the high voltage industry, ill dot point for ease

 

-biggest things I think would be that you have common sense, willing to listen/pay attention and aren't a mong with basic handtools

-tradeschool is a piece of piss if you are competent with basic math formula manipulation. The rest is just remembering facts, practical skills and reffering to standards for clauses and figures.

-3year minimum apprenticeship IF your employer agrees to sign you off as competent early

-as an adult apprentice you should start 3rd year wages (not 100% sure on NSW but in SA that is the industry standard)

-once qualified you'll earn an absolute minimum of 60k

-If you decided to start doing FIFO work you would be on no less than 120k a year upwards to the 200k+ in gas and oil fields

-installing air cons you will be in roof spaces a lot, so be prepared for it to be stinking fuggin hot, I cant comment too much on the rest of the work as I'm not from that specific area of the industry, but generally speaking its pretty good.

-your options are quite literally limitless there are so many additional courses and tickets you can do its insane (can list or you can google)

-only drawback is it's a dangerous trade, you cant see electricity, smell it, taste it or hear it (for low voltage anyway) but one mistake can easily be your last

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Thanks truck. There's always a way to test if something's live without risking your life (isn't there?) but do you hear alot of horror stories?

 

And what about hours, is it the type of industry where people are asked to stay back late?

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you should always test for dead (no voltage) before playing with things, my biggest rule is trust no-one even if its someone you would trust because mistakes are made while isolating circuits and its your life on the line on the off chance, there are some situations where i work where you have to play with live wires but it is an absolute last resort. I would be extremely surprised if you would have to in that job. Most of the horror stories you hear about are freak accidents or someone doing something dodgey. You just need to be constantly concentrating on what your doing and know what you're messing with, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply ring/ask someone than run the risk.

 

and probably best to ask your mate about hours, it ranges quite broadly from company to company.

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I wouldn't advise doing an apprenticeship with an air con mob. There is very little variety of work, which will result in you lack trade experience.

Added to that, department of fair trading and tafe are really cracking down on apprentices that arnt getting enough experience.

There's an online profiling system that you'll have to fill out weekly and a criteria that needs to be met before you can apply for a licence. And just doing air conditioning work will not be enough to get you a licence.

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Okay. Well can transfer an apprenticeship to another business to broaden your experience or are you kinda stuck there?

 

What are apprentice wages like?

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I wouldn't advise doing an apprenticeship with an air con mob. There is very little variety of work, which will result in you lack trade experience.

Added to that, department of fair trading and tafe are really cracking down on apprentices that arnt getting enough experience.

There's an online profiling system that you'll have to fill out weekly and a criteria that needs to be met before you can apply for a licence. And just doing air conditioning work will not be enough to get you a licence.

Word going around is that the whole profiling system is changing due to this very reason. Allegedly it will become based on what your company does so there will be specific quotas for the different areas of electrical work. I've had abit of trouble with mine due to working mainly on high voltage switchgear.

 

And for wages as an apprentice, as above, being an adult apprentice you'd be on 3rd year wages from the start. So anywhere from 15-25 bucks an hour, once again dependant on how Jewish the company is.

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Well ill be glad to see it change, because the scope of experience that was expected was too vast.

It's un realistic to say an apprentice is going to get experience in that many different areas of the industry.

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Guess you'll be glad to see it change :lol:

 

 

Not sure how much " sparky work" is out there. Obviously truck works for a major electrical company so plenty of work, my mates have worked with about 5 different companies and keep getting layed off simply because there is no work around

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What are you qualified in now/ doing for work now?

 

Doing my 3rd year as an A/c apprentice at the moment and loving it. I know I'm just an apprentice but what I hear older tradesmen say its a job where you're always thinking and seeing something new everyday. I'm in the service side of things (commercial and industrial) with the odd install here in there. Installs is something you want to for cash jobs on the weekend, where as service work (commercial wise) is something you want to do every day work wise which isnt as repetitive as doing install (my opinion).

 

Yes there is lots of cash to be made if you want to put in the hours. Once you got your air conditioning and refrigeration ticket, there's all types of jobs in the field you can do such as train ac. transport refrigeration etc..

 

There is a lot of electrical in a/c as well.

 

 

You'll get conformable working with electricity after watching what your tradesmen does, as well as learning about how to work with it safely by others and in trade school. Your company should back your safety up first, even if that means not doing the job at all (on site) if you feel at risk.

 

 

Any more questions feel free to pm me.

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I've been working in financial planning for 3 years (after getting a uni degree) and it's been shit really. Part of it falls on me but there's really not much work around and often there's only short contracts on offer.

 

Sounds like a cool profession. Thanks for all your words, I am seriously considering it.

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Off topic I know but any electricians in Adelaide want a cash job?

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I've been working in financial planning for 3 years

 

Gonna be a big change, can be very physical at times, you also have to deal with the elements, you will be drenched after spending 10 mins in a roof on a hot day not to mention being covered in insulation.

 

Dangerous too, electricity aside building sites have stacks of hazards that could end you life.

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Its a good trade to get into mate! Im a sparky aswell, there are hazards of course but theres hazards everywhere in life. The point is that you learn how to manage the hazards, dont trust anyone, test test test are things that were drilled into me and to this day I havent been booted! (Touch wood)

 

Excellent trade lots of money be careful!

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The profiling gas been around for awhile in qld. It doesn't mean anything. U fill out the sheet weekly and ya boss signs it. As for doing it with an sitcom mob, just get ya foot in the door and once u got ya apprenticeship u can look around to do something different. I started mine at 26 with a crap company and 4 yrs later I'm a general supervisor on the gas fields.

If your not a cowboy u won't kill ya self, be aware of the danger and treat it with respect n you'll be fine. An also speak up if some may potentially put you at risk. Good luck.

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I'm gonna go into tafe tomorrow and enquire.

 

Someone said plumbing is just as good, what you guys think of that?

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How did you go about getting in to the gas fields Stuss??

 

 

The profiling gas been around for awhile in qld. It doesn't mean anything. U fill out the sheet weekly and ya boss signs it. As for doing it with an sitcom mob, just get ya foot in the door and once u got ya apprenticeship u can look around to do something different. I started mine at 26 with a crap company and 4 yrs later I'm a general supervisor on the gas fields.

If your not a cowboy u won't kill ya self, be aware of the danger and treat it with respect n you'll be fine. An also speak up if some may potentially put you at risk. Good luck.

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f**k plumbing. Tedious crap in small spaces and lots of digging. Yeah if you do domestic you will be in small spaces too, but for very short periods of time

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This thread is great because I am at the exact stage as you are Spazo. Looking into Electrical/Instrumentation. Mate said that anything to do with PLCs is the way forwards in the electrical industry. But then again, air cons will always be around, so refridgeration is a good trade to be in too.

 

Only problem I have found so far is that most places will want you to do a pre-apprenticeship (Cert II Electrotechnology ) and (in WA anyway) you can only do it full time. So this means 2-3 months without current income. Makes it a little difficult (for me anyway).

 

Good luck and I hope it works out.

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How did you go about getting in to the gas fields Stuss??

 

 

The profiling gas been around for awhile in qld. It doesn't mean anything. U fill out the sheet weekly and ya boss signs it. As for doing it with an sitcom mob, just get ya foot in the door and once u got ya apprenticeship u can look around to do something different. I started mine at 26 with a crap company and 4 yrs later I'm a general supervisor on the gas fields.

If your not a cowboy u won't kill ya self, be aware of the danger and treat it with respect n you'll be fine. An also speak up if some may potentially put you at risk. Good luck.

I got a job with a company in Brisbane and we managed to get work away, now I'm stuck out here lol

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This thread is great because I am at the exact stage as you are Spazo. Looking into Electrical/Instrumentation. Mate said that anything to do with PLCs is the way forwards in the electrical industry. But then again, air cons will always be around, so refridgeration is a good trade to be in too.

 

Only problem I have found so far is that most places will want you to do a pre-apprenticeship (Cert II Electrotechnology ) and (in WA anyway) you can only do it full time. So this means 2-3 months without current income. Makes it a little difficult (for me anyway).

 

Good luck and I hope it works out.

 

I had to do that cert as well to get a job. Don't bother unless u do it. Saying instro and aircon is the way forward is bs. Electricity is something we are more reliant on. You can do anything in the industry but is say move away from domestic. Great to learn the basics but don't get stuck for 4yrs wiring a house. General electrical and control gear is wear the majority of well paid work is. So industrial is what I'm getting at. Good luck guys.

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