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CAR CRUSHING IN QLD FOR ACCUSED HOONS TIME FOR A PROTEST

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THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROTEST OVER QUEENSLAND TO THIS

 

THIS IS NUTS

 

http://www.heraldsun...1-1226494324063

 

http://media.smh.com...rs-3708691.html

 

http://www.goldcoast...court-news.html

 

BROUGHT IN BY THIS MAN

 

Jack Dempsey

 

 

Jack Dempsey is the Minister for Police and Community Safety and the Member for Bundaberg.

A respected former local Police sergeant prior to his election, Jack takes a proud record of community service to the Queensland Parliament. A dedicated father of five, Jack and wife Christine live locally and enjoy being involved in a range of community, youth and sporting groups.

As the Member for Bundaberg, Jack puts the people of Bundaberg first. He is committed to providing strong representation for the people of Bundaberg, restoring community services and infrastructure and creating more opportunities for Bundaberg families.

Jack was appointed the Shadow Minister for Mining and Resource Management in April 2010. His former portfolios include Child Safety, Sport and Environment. He has also served on the Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee, of which he was the Deputy Chair.

 

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Under the new legislation, offenders would have their cars impounded for three months for their first serious hooning offence, and the car would be crushed or sold upon a second serious hooning offence committed within five years

 

I personaly dont even have a car of quality any more , because the laws have gotten out of control .....If I felt that for a split second that I was going to lose my pride n joy ...Ide do a runner for sure , Be dammed Ide let some one take my pride n joy and keep it or crush it . Ide rather right it off with them chaseing me , there are so many other ways to deal with "HOON BEHAVIOR " this is clearly a pathetic attempt to scour votes from the do gooders of our soceity .

 

who has the right to take away some thing , just because one police officer manipulates the law one way , and yet another offcer will see the offence another . There should be strict guidlines drawn up to prevent a miscarriage of justice .

 

does this mean on a hot day I do a uturn in our Tarago and my tyre squeals does that means Im doing a burnout ???? some police will not even bother with it and then some will fine me for hoon behavior ,

 

Great Laws ......well thought out Genius Ideas that clearly arent well thought out enough

Edited by just_learning_import

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So if you get caught chirping the tyres you'll loose your car for 3 months, but get caught pissed, stoned, high on meth doing 70 in a school zone on the wrong side of the road and keep it.

 

Considering the governments convinced everyone that speeding is the biggest danger on our roads shouldn't speeders be held to the same laws.

Oh wait, that may affect some of these politicians and a larger portion of the voting community and we couldn't have that, we're likely to loose votes.

 

 

Anger rising, rising.

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yep, drink-drive, license gone, do some skids, car get taken

surely there is something illegal about just taking people's cars

what if it's a company car, hire car, friends car, mechanic doing a test drive?

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All the examples you guys have put up are also hooning offences in SA, it's actually quite the cash cow here as they have been filling up our impound yards for a couple years now and contracting the overflow to "U STORE IT"

So it isn't just "hooning" everything is HOONING.

 

HOWEVER.. It is a bullshit system, completely over exagerated in every way and Is what I classify simply as draconian bullshit.

 

I didn't know you guys didn't have hoon laws over there, but if he's implementing it and inturn basking in the public praise of a bunch of aging old do gooders then your man up there is just copying already implemented laws elsewhere.

 

Find him and eat his heart

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welcome to the shit we put up with in SA.

 

+ 1,000,000 shit's f&@ked up here!

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only a hoon would get pissed off with this rule... don't like it, don't drive like a knob...

 

to the chap that said drink driving is not a hoon offence... actually is... although it is the police officers discretion which ultimately decides whether the car gets impounded or not AFAIK... company car, hire car etc... driver is liable for anything that happens, car would be impounded probably crushed and you are so sued by the actual owner...

Edited by level_100%_warned

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only a hoon would get pissed off with this rule... don't like it, don't drive like a knob...

 

:lol: coz that's totally how it works :lol:

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only a hoon would get pissed off with this rule... don't like it, don't drive like a knob...

 

to the chap that said drink driving is not a hoon offence... actually is...

Not even, it's a pure ass reaming at the discretion of a possible power tripper out to pîss people off? Cops are humans not machines. They aren't always fair... A family member could've died, they might be dealing with alcoholism or a cheating partner possibly even just hate there job or even got it to get back at society... But some snot nose kid clinging onto an apprenticeship or a small buisness, a middle aged otherwise contributer to society or just someone with a car hobby deserves to loose there car for 3 months and a BULSHIT amount of fines?

 

Read on...

 

3 months for squealing a tyre under a number of weak circumstances, accelerating too fast or even a flick turn

 

Get the fûck out.

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GET ON THE BAND WAGON

 

AS A GROUP WE CAN DO SOMETHING

 

ah, I remember when I use to be that naive....

 

Ok ok, I'll try and refrain from being a cynical asshole and try and add something constructive.

 

What NOT to do....

 

1. Don't waste your time with protests, the chances of you getting a significant number to turn up are slim and you'll probably come off looking like a joke. (see the 100 or so threads over on the whirlpool forum about the internet filter and their attempts at trying to organize protests - 20 people turning up and the cops laughing at them). Apathy in Australia is a bitch.

 

2. Don't waste your time writing emails/letters to these politicians, you'll just get some bullshit form letter as a reply and they probably won't even read what you wrote. And at the end of the day they really don't care if they piss you off. your a minority!!!! What they care about is the conservative ACA loving baby boomer crowd that make up such a large part of the electorate. And vilifying and discriminating against minorities is a good way at winning that vote.

 

3. Don't expect the mainstream media to take up the fight for you. They don't like you, in fact they hate you. So don't waste your time trying to appeal to them either. Most probably you won't just be fighting the government on this but you'll be fighting the mainstream media too.

 

4. Don't waste time debating things on forums, it always just turns into a bunch of people arguing about bullshit. :whistle:

 

What TOO do...

 

By the sound of it you only have a very limited time before this goes through so here's some ideas given the short time frame available (no guarantees this will work).

 

1. Try and copy what the bikies are doing to fight the "anti bikie" anti association laws, speak with some lawyers and see if there is a way to actually contest the laws themselves in the high/supreme courts, (obviously yous will have to try and raise money to launch such a legal battle). since many of these types of laws don't require the police to meet any sort of burden of proof and they impose some very harsh penalties maybe the courts will throw them out as being unjust. Or maybe the sanctity of property could be raised as an issue. A lawyer will be able to tell you what options there are much better than me and the first consultation is usually free at most law firms, so it's worth a shot, who knows...

 

2. If you want to try and write letters I'd suggest focusing on minor parties (who have a civil liberties agenda e.g. greens, sex party, LDP, secular party, pirate party etc) and try your luck with them, these sort of parties are always looking for ways to increase there support base and so may look to help aid in the fight. Not sure what they may be able to do exactly but it's be worth a shot to find out and it never hurts to have more supporters for your cause. Probably also want to look at civil liberties groups such as http://www.cla.asn.au/ and http://www.qccl.org.au/. Once again don't know what they can do but it's worth a shot.

There is also the National Motorists Association Australia (NMAA) http://www.aussiemotorists.com/, but I think they're largely defunct now.

 

3. Find allies, unify causes, offer to help support other causes in turn for supporting yours/ours.

 

4. Try and organize some sort of viral campaign to villafy the government (with limited time and budget this is probably your best shot), something like the "No clean feed" against internet filtering or "internet blackout" against SOPA as some examples. Youtube videos, website banners, on-line petitions (yeah they don't really do anything politically but they still seem to help spread the word), stickers (like the famous Dick Johnson "don't ban high performance cars, ban low performance drivers" campaign), t-shirts etc. Try and encourage people to get creative and fight fire with fire. Or in this case. propaganda with propaganda. If they vilify us as 'hoons', vilify the government as a bunch of freedom hating Nazi's and vilify the media as being full of shit.

 

5. Take LEADERSHIP!!! This is by far the most important point. Don't expect this to work as a collaborative effort because in the end what will happen is you'll just get a bunch of people who sit around and argue over semantics and nothing will get done, (Just look at the responses in this thread and see the way it's headed already as an example of this).

At some point someone has to stand up and take leadership. Say "this is my idea, this is my plan and this is what I am going to do. If you want to support me, great! This is how you can do that".

Nothing will get done without leadership...

 

 

Anyways I am sick of typing, I'm off to watch some porn before the government takes that away too. :D

Edited by sweepa

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You're totally right Spenda.

 

We dont have time for lawyer of the funds or resources we have to be smart about this.

 

The best immediate action is to go viral with a campaign against the MP trying to do this.

 

We have just seen the public backlash and trial by media of Allan Jones over his recent comments.

 

So if suddenly this guys facebook pages sarts getting slammed with dislikes and hammering comments about his new law

he will get publicity.

 

As long as there is no trolling on his site which will just play right into his hands of making us all out to be big bad hoons.

 

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^ this is from his facebook page.

 

We need to run a campaign on as many formus as we can and get a Jack Dempsey dislike page going or something similar.

 

Maybe we could ask the mods or loz to run a banner accross the top of the page linking to this guys face book page.

 

http://www.facebook.com/JackDempseyMP

 

Currently he a 1017 likes I'm sure that would change.

 

We need to do this smart and get him as much publicity for being disliked by the community because this is what he doesent want.

Edited by kdog

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For those ignorant people that keep spewing out don't drive like a dick and you'll be right... Well no that's not the case because things like loud exhaust, too low, unsecured pod.. Are no longer defects they are illegal mods and are now classified under the hoon laws so your car gets a major it's impounded.

 

So you don't have to drive like a dick to have these retarded laws to effect you.

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Any one can accuse any one of anything these days

This is one of the reasons I'm not registering my car any more

Person accusing should also have proof not this he say she say bullshit

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For those ignorant people that keep spewing out don't drive like a dick and you'll be right... Well no that's not the case because things like loud exhaust, too low, unsecured pod.. Are no longer defects they are illegal mods and are now classified under the hoon laws so your car gets a major it's impounded.

 

So you don't have to drive like a dick to have these retarded laws to effect you.

 

well said exactly right thats my biggest fear

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Sweepa is spot on. But in the end it's going to happen whether you like it or not like it did in SA because 1) public doesn't exactly have a sympathy for car enthusiasts and 2) noone here has time and money to launch a legal challenge against the government. I'd love to be proved wrong tho

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Lol, spenda, I like that.

 

When I suggested mounting a legal challenge I wasn't really suggesting trying to pay for it out of your own pocket but rather (if the lawyers say there is a way to contest them) looking more towards some sort of class action or getting people to donate to help fund the case. especially from businesses that could be affected by reduced spending on modifying cars.

 

Realistically, long term it's going to cost money to have any real impact in fighting these types of laws. When you look at how most successful lobby groups operate (such as the ACL, Pedestrian Council of Australia etc) they are very well funded and have the ability to launch legal battles, advertising/PR campaigns and "political donations" to politicians who will represent their wishes in parliament. These are proper registered non-profit organizations that are run like businesses, they have boards of directors, full time paid staff and lawyers and PR people on the books. Some of these organizations can raise hundreds of thousand if not millions of dollars from donations (quite often a large chunk of that coming from corporate sponsors or religious institutions) so that they can campaign in the interests of their contributors.

We need to learn from these examples and look at instituting something similar over the long term.

 

Now back to the problem at hand.

 

Had a quick look on some other car forums, doesn't seem like anyone is talking about this so it seems that it is pretty much flying under the radar.

 

as I spoke about in my last post, online petitions and things like that are usually a good viral mechanism for getting the word out even if politicians largely tend to ignore them.

 

here are some options

https://www.change.org/en-AU

or

http://www.ipetitions.com/

 

Try and aim to get over 100,000 signatures and encourage people to spread the word to reach that goal.

 

Setting up a facebook page is usually a good way of getting things to spread quickly. Political analysts also seem very fond of judging the political climate by looking at twitter trends (because apparently EVERYBODY is on twitter and so opinions there represent the entire public), so doing the whole twitter hash tag thing might be another good option.

 

I also noted the dudes youtube videos are open for comments. go nuts

 

Now as to how to frame the argument against the proposed laws.

Much of the general public has been brainwashed by the media and politicians into thinking that all car enthusiast are a bunch of reckless dickheads who are involved in criminal activities and enjoy putting the public at risk, thus they deserve everything they get.

Trying to get sympathy from the public is not going to work so we need to learn a lesson from our politicians and apply a bit of 'spin'.

 

Don't make it an issue about car enthusiast, make it an issue about 'oppressive government' and the degradation and erosion of our justice system. Argue that such discretionary powers are an affront to everything our legal system was built upon (the presumption of innocence, burden of proof, clear definitions of what constitutes an illegal act, fair trial etc) and that the government is trying to turn QLD into a police state. Make them look like the oppressive bad guy at every opportunity. Identify as many examples of government oppression as possible to throw at them and make them look bad. Especially examples of things that people outside of the car community can identify with. This will help garner much more public sympathy and support.

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With the way the car community has been going, I don't see much changing in the future regarding hoon laws.

 

You could create a big cruise, used to show that some people just love enjoying others rides and not "hooning", and I bet you would get a few wankers who turn up to do some hero-skids and ruin it for all.

Everyone keeps going "let's do this, or we can do that", but I'm yet to see much action taking place. We just don't have the resources to do it, I think.

 

You want to know what may help though? If you get a member of the Australian Sex Party into parliament.

 

http://www.sexparty.org.au/Party-Info/police-resources-australian-sex-party-victorian-policy.html

 

Having read that, I contacted them asking if this could in any way be related to law-abiding car enthusiasts. I was given the following response.

 

Hello Sean, Sorry about the delay replying to your mail. We are catching up on our admin after much of our recent work was focussed on the Melbourne By-election.

 

Your stance on and views about police unfairly targeting law-abiding car enthusiasts fit right in with the Sex Party's policy seeking better use of police resources.

Can we change the current use of police resources so that police do focus on real criminal activity? We like to believe that our policies influence public opinion and the policies of other parties and governments.

 

We are a young party, not quite three years old at a federal level and are yet to get our first member elected to a parliament. We need your vote to help make that possible and thus to be able to influence policy from inside a parliament.

Cheers Graeme

 

Graeme Dunne

Australian Sex Party

Tel: +61 2 9328 5527

Fax: +61 2 9475 0103

www.sexparty.org.au

So yes, there are some people out there that may be able to fight against what we don't want, which I presume to be unfair discrimination, and "officers discretion" without burden of proof.

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look guys i drew a dick on his head

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Hilux + trailer + track car = :)

 

I was sick of being unfairly targeted and pulled over when I was doing nothing wrong. Now, I don't have to put up with the bullshit and I can do whatever I want to my car (well nearly). Only annoying part is when you have just added something new or want to test drive the car and check something out.

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Maybe it's just to drive everyone mad and buy a trailer to pay more rego....

 

/conspiracy hat

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You sure showed them.

 

I guess they did win. I really should of kept getting defected and spending my weekends scavenging through forums and buying/borrowing stock parts so that I can get home every day from work and pull the car apart, only to put it all back together in a couple of days. When I think about it, I don't even want to know the amount of money I wasted being a hardcore K.hunt and 'fighting' the unfair system. I wasted a lot of money and I was always stressed as a mofo when I was trying to prepare my car for the pits, keep up to date with my masters degree, and keep the Mrs and family happy. I'm lucky that my Mrs never left me when I was stuffing around in the garage and spending all my money on permits and one-day rego's for the car.

 

It was only until I woke up to myself and decided that I needed to get out of the car scene for a couple of years, for my life to move forward. I finished my degree, purchased a nice house, paid for a 08 hilux with cash, and found a trailer and track car to play around with.

 

I guess at the end of the day they did win, now I have a shit life, I have a wonderful family, and I have money in my wallet :Drugs:

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